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Since many vocal and politically influential people in our great republic believe that life begins at arousal, our esteemed lawmakers feel it their duty to impose these views on all Americans. Therefore I propose that a law be passed immediately stating that ALL ABORTION BE OUTLAWED, and all persons seeking or performing abortions be treated as OUTLAWS. Of course, any reasonable person must realize that there Must be a few exemptions to such a law, and I've listed below those reasonable exceptions which came to mind. Being only human, it occurs to me that I may possibly have overlooked ... View All

Since many vocal and politically influential people in our great republic believe that life begins at arousal, our esteemed lawmakers feel it their duty to impose these views on all Americans. Therefore I propose that a law be passed immediately stating that ALL ABORTION BE OUTLAWED, and all persons seeking or performing abortions be treated as OUTLAWS. Of course, any reasonable person must realize that there Must be a few exemptions to such a law, and I've listed below those reasonable exceptions which came to mind. Being only human, it occurs to me that I may possibly have overlooked some valid exceptions to the ANTI-ABORTION LEGISLATION that I am proposing. So before I submit it to the distinguished gentlepersons of Congress, I offer it up for the review and suggestions of AOL members as a gesture of acknowledgement of the purest form of democracy yet devised by man: cyber-space. Exemptions to proposed ABORTION PROHIBITION: Cases of pregnancy resulting from rape, molestation, or incest. Cases where carrying the fetus to term would be more dangerous to the mother than would termination. Cases where delivery of the baby would cause the mother a great deal of pain. Cases where the baby is likely to be deformed, retarded, or ugly. Cases where the mothers’ figure would be misshapen during swimwear season. Cases where alcohol or drugs were involved in the conception. Cases where the mother does not wish to give up smoking, alcohol, or drugs during pregnancy. Cases involving broken condoms or other failures of birth control devices. Cases where father offered to settle for oral or anal sex instead. Cases where the parent/parents do not have the financial resources to provide for the raising of a child. Cases where coat hanger availability is limited. Cases where arrogant mother thinks her body is ‘off limits’ to gov’t regulators. Cases where arrogant doctors think bureaucrats have no right to practice medicine. Cases where family pet might be jealous of new family member. Cases where rich politicians voting in favor of this bill do not offer to adopt every single unwanted child. …Again, these where only the fifteen MOST REASONABLE exceptions which came to mind. I'm sure there must be others, so please don't let me leave any out. Feel Free to add your suggestions so that I can pass them on to my congress-person. As for enforcement, rather than tying up our police, courtrooms, and prisons, with matters which should be of little or no concern to them, I’d suggest we try strictly VOLUNTARY COMPLYANCE. And of course, the punishment should fit the crime. Doctor’s violating this law should be subject to a reasonable number of community service minutes, (provided that they have the time. Doctors are very busy people, you know.) And patients should be ostracized from their house of worship for a period long enough to de-program them from the notion that their god also has some moral claim on their body. I further conclude that after much reflection the only law needed concerning abortion is one that protects a woman I further conclude that after much reflection the only law needed concerning abortion is one that protects a woman’s right to have one. And even THAT wouldn't be necessary if the men in Washington weren't inclined to believe that ROE vs. WADE is a debate over alternate ways of crossing a creek. --Ray Close All

I have thousands of CDs/vinyls, but so you can get an idea of my taste in music (and so I don't get a long list of bands I already have), here are some of the artists that I have on my computer. Like I said, I have a lot of music so please try to be as obscure as possible with your suggestions. Thank you! ? And The Mysterians 10 CC 13th Floor Elevators 38 Special The 5ths Dimension A3 Abigail Washburn AC/DC The Action Adam and the Ants Aerosmith Agnes Strange Al Green Al Kooper The Alan ... View All

I have thousands of CDs/vinyls, but so you can get an idea of my taste in music (and so I don't get a long list of bands I already have), here are some of the artists that I have on my computer. Like I said, I have a lot of music so please try to be as obscure as possible with your suggestions. Thank you! ? And The Mysterians 10 CC 13th Floor Elevators 38 Special The 5ths Dimension A3 Abigail Washburn AC/DC The Action Adam and the Ants Aerosmith Agnes Strange Al Green Al Kooper The Alan Parsons Project Albert Hammond Albert King Alice Cooper Alice In Chains The Allman Brothers Band Almendra Amazing Rhythm Aces The Amboy Dukes America Amon Düül II Amos Lee ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail Of Dead Andrew Bird Andromeda Aphex Twin Apocalyptica Apollo Sunshine Apples In Stereo Apriil Wine Aretha Franklin Arlo Guthrie Art Art Garfunkel Arthur Brown The Artwoods Asia The Association Asylum Street Spankers Atomic Fireballs Atomic Rooster The Attack Audience Average White Band Ayreon Aztec Camera The B-52's B.J. Thomas B.B. King Babe Ruth Bachman Turner Overdrive Bad Brains Bad Company Bad Religion Badfinger The Band The Bar-Kays Barbara Acklin Barbara Lewis The Barbarians Barclay James Harvest Bauhaus The Beach Boys The Bears Beasts Of Bourbon The Beatles The Beau Brummels Beck Beck, Bogert and Appice The Bee Gees Beethoven The Bellamy Brothers Ben Harper Bert Jansch Beulah Big Bill Broonzy The Big Bopper Big Head Todd and the Monsters Big Joe Turner Big Mama Thornton Big Star Bill Fay Bill Haley and HIs Comets Bill Withers Billie Holiday Billy Idol Billy Joel The Black Angels The Black Crowes Black Flag The Black Keys Black Label Society Black Oak Arkansas Black Sabbath Black Stone Cherry Blackfield Blackfoot Blackmore's Night Blind Boys of Alabama Blind Faith Blind Lemon Jefferson Blind Melon Bloc Party Blondie Blood, Sweat and Tears Bloodhound Gang Bloodrock Blossom Toes Blue Cheer Blue Oyster Cult The Blue Ridge Rangers Blue Rodeo The Blue Van Blues Image Blues Magoos The Blues Project Blues Travelers Bo Diddley Bob Dylan Bob Marley Bob Seger Bob Welch Bob Wills Bobbie Gentry Bobby Darin Bobby Goldsboro Bobby Womach Bon Jovi Bonnie Raitt Bonnie Tyler The Bonzo Dog Band Booker T. and the MG's Boston Bread Brewer and Shipley Brian Eno Brian Hyland The Brian Jonestown Massacre Bright Eyes Brothers Johnson Bruce Springsteen Bryan Adams Bubble Puppy Buckcherry The Buckinghams Buddy Guy Buddy Holly Budgie Buena Vista Social Club Buffalo Springfield Buggles Built To Spill Butthole Surfers The Buzzcocks The Byrds Cactus Cake Cal Smith Calexico Camel Can Canned Heat Captain Beefheart Captain Beyond Carl Orff Carl Perkins Carlos Varela Carly Simon Carole King The Carpenters The Cars The Castaways Cat Stevens Chad and Jeremy The Chambers Brothers The Charlatans Charlee Charley Patton The Charlie Daniels Band Charlie Musselwhite Chicago Chicken Shack The Chieftains The Chocolate Watchband Chopin Chris Robinson Chris Whitley Chuck Berry The Church Churchills Cinderella Clarence Carter The Clash Climax Blues Band Clint Black The Clovers Clutch Collective Soul Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen The Commodores Comus Confederate Railroad Conway Twitty Corosion Of Conformity Count Five Counting Crows Country Joe and the Fish The Cowsills Crash Test Dummies Cream The Creation Creedence Clearwater Revival Crispian St. Peters Crosby, Stills and Nash (& Young) The Cryan' Shames The Cure Curtis Mayfield and the Impressions Czar Da Vinci's Notebook Damn Yankees Dan Fogelberg Danny and the Juniors Danny O'Keefe Danzig Dave Van Ronk David Allan Coe David Bowie David Bromberg David Gilmour David Lee Roth Davie Allan and the Arrows Dax Riggs De La Soul Dead Boys Dead Kennedys The Dead Milkmen Deadboy and the Elephantmen Debussy The Decemberists Deep Purple Deerhoof Def Leppard The Del-Vetts Del Shannon Delaney and Bonnie The Dells Depeche Mode Derek and the Dominos The Desert Rose Band Desmond Dekker and the Aces Diamond Head Diana Ross and the Supremes Diary Of Dreams The Dictators Dinosaur Jr. Dio Dion and the Belmonts Dionne Warwick Dire Straits The Divine Comedy The Dixie Dregs Dobie Grey Dolly Parton Don McLean Donovan The Doobie Brothers The Doors Doris Troy Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show Dr. John Dream Theater The Drifters Drive-By Truckers Dusty Springfield Dwight Yoakam The Eagles East Of Eden The Easybeats Ed Townsend Eddie Cochran Eddie Floyd Edgar Broughton Band Edgar Winter group Edison Lighthouse Edvard Grieg Electric Flag Electric Hellfire Club Electric Light Orchestra The Electric Prunes Elliott Smith Elmore James Elton John Elvis Costello Elvis Presley Emerson, Lake and Palmer Emmylou Harris Eric Andersen Eric Burdon/The Animals Eric Clapton Eric Johnson Erin McKeown Etta James Everclear The Everly Brothers Explosions In The Sky The Fabulous Thunderbirds Faces Fair To Midland Fairport Convention Faith No More The Fall Family Fats Domino Fear Factory Fionn Regan Firefall Five Man Electrical Band The Five Satins The Flaming Lips The Flamingos Fleetwood Mac Floyd Cramer The Flying Burrito Brothers Flying Machine Focus Foghat The Folk Implosion Foreigner The Foundations The Four Horsemen Frank Sinatra Frank Zappa The Fratellis Fred Astaire Fred Neil Free Friends and Lovers Frijid Pink Fugazi The Fugs Funkadelic Galaxie 500 Gallery Garbage Gary HIggins Gary HOey Gary Moore Gary Wright Gene Vincent and His Blue Caps Genesis Gentle Giant The Gentrys George Clinton George Harrison George Jones George Thorogood The Georgia Satellites Gerry and the Pacemakers Gil Scott-Heron Gilbert O'Sullivan Gin Blossoms Glen Campbell The Godz Golden Earing Goose Creek Symphony Gordon Lightfoot Gram Parsons Grand Funk Railroad The Grass Roots Grateful Dead Gravy Train The Greencards The Gregg Allman Band The Groundhogs The Guess Who Guided By Voices Guillermo Portabales Guns N' Roses H.P. Lovecraft Half Man Half Biscuit Hamilton, Joe Frank and Reynolds Hank Williams Sr. Harper's Bizarre Harry Chapin Harry Nilsson The Haunted Hawkwind Head East Heart Heavy Metal Kids Helmet Henry Mancini Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass The Highwaymen The Hollies The Hombres Honeybus Hoodoo Gurus Hookfoot Hound Dog Taylor The Housemartins Howlin' Wolf Humble Pie Hüsker Dü Ida Cox The Ides of March Iggy Pop/The Stooges Igor Stravinsky Ike and Tina Turner The Impalas Incredible String Band INXS Iron and Wine Iron Butterfly Iron Maiden The Isley Brothers It's A Beautiful Day J. Geils Band J.J. Cale Jackie DeShannon Jackson 5 Jackson Browne Jackyl Jakob Dylan The Jam James Brown The James Gang James Taylor Jane's Addiction Janis Ian Janis Joplin The Jayhawks Jean-Luc Ponty Jean Knight Jeff Beck Jeff Buckley Jefferson Airplane Jerry Garcia and David Grisman Jerry Lee Lewis THe Jesus and Mary Chain Jethro Tull Jim Croce Jim Ford Jimi Hendrix/Jimi Hendrix Experience Jimmy Buffett Joan Baez Joan Jett Joanna Newsom Joe Bonamassa Joe Cocker Joe Satriani Joe Simon Joe Tex Joe Walsh The John Butler Trio John Cale John Mellencamp John Denver John Fahey John Fogerty John Lee Hooker John Lennon John Martyn John Mayall John Prine John Williams Johnnie Taylor Johnny Cash Johnny Mathis Johnny Paycheck Johnny Thunders Johnny Winters Jon Butcher Axis Jonathan Richman Jonathon Edwards Joni Mitchell Journey Joy Division Judas Priest Judy Collins Juicy Lucy June Carter Cash Kaiser Chiefs Kanda Bongo Man Kansas Kate Bush Kenny and the Kasuals King Crimson The Kings Kings Of Convenience The Kingsmen The Kinks KISS The Knickerbockers Koko Taylor Kris Kristofferson Kyuss Larry Graham Laura Nyro Lead Belly The Leaves Led Zeppelin The Left Banke Lefty Frizzell The Lemon Pipers The Lemonheads Leo Sayer Leon Russell Leonard Cohen Levon Helm Linda Perhacs Link Wray little Barrie Little Feat Little Richard Little River Band Live Lobo Local H Looking Glass Loretta Lynn Los Dug Dug's Los Trio Matamoros Lou Rawls Lou Reed Love Love and Rockets Love Sculpture The Lovin' Spoonful Lucifer's Friend Lucinda Williams Lynyrd Skynyrd The Lyres The Magicians The Mahavishnu Orchestra Mahogany Rush The Mamas and the Papas Manfred Mann's Earth Band Manic Street Preachers The Mar-Keys Marianne Faithfull Marillion Mark Knopfler The Marshall Tucker Band Martha and the Vandellas Marvin Gaye Marvin Sease Mary Wells Mason Williams The Masters Apprentices Matthews Southern Comfort Max Webster MC5 Meat Loaf Medeski, Martin and Wood Megadeth Melanie The Melvins Merle Haggard Merrilee Rush and the Turnabouts Metallica Michael Hedges Mick Jagger Mick Ronson Mike + the Mechanics Mike Oldfield Ministry Minutemen The Misfits Mississippi John Hurt Moby Moby Grape The Modern Lovers Mogwai The Mojo Men Molly Hatchet The Monkees Montrose The Moody Blues Morrissey Mother Love Bone Motörhead Mott The Hoople Mountain Mournin Phase Mouse and the Traps The Move Moxy Mr. Bungle Mud Mudcrutch Muddy Waters Mudhoney Mungo Jerry Muse The Music Explosion The Music Machine My Morning Jacket Nancy Sinatra Nancy Wilson Nazareth The Nazz Neil diamond Neil Finn Neil Young Nektar Neutral Milk Hotel New Riders Of The Purple Sage The New Seekers New York Dolls Nic Armstrong and the Thieves The Nice Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds Nick Drake Nickel Creek Night Ranger The Nightcrawlers Nina Hagen Nine Inch Nails Nirvana Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Nitzinger Norman Greenbaum The O'Jays Of Montreal Ohio Express Ohio Players Old Crow Medicine Show Oliver The Only Ones Opeth Otis Redding Otis Williams and the Charms The Outlaws Over the Rhine Ozark Mountain Daredevils Ozzy Osbourne Pantera Patsy Cline Patti LaBelle Patti Smith Paul Butterfield Blues Band Paul McCartney Paul Simon Pavement pearl Jam The Penguins Pentangle Percy Sledge Pere Ubu Pete Brown and Piblokto Peter and Gordon Peter Frampton Peter Gabriel Peter, Paul and Mary Petula Clark Phil Collins Phil Lesh Phil Ochs Phish Pilot The Pink Fairies Pink Floyd The Pixies PJ Harvey The Platters The Pogues The Police Porcupine Tree The Pretenders The Pretty Things Pride and Glory Prince Procol Harum Psychedelic Furs Pure Prairie League Python Lee Jackson Queen Quicksilver Messenger Service R.E.M Racer X Radiohead Rainbow Ram Jam The Ramones Randy Newman Rare Earth The Rascals The Raspberries Ravi Shankar Ray Charles Ray Owen's Moon Red Rider The Remains REO Speedwagon The Replacements Revolting Cocks The Rezillos Richard/Linda Thompson Richard Hell and the Voidoids Rick Danko Rick Drringer Rickie Lee Jones The Righteous Brothers Ringo Starr Rob Zombie Robert Johnson Robert Palmer Robert Plant Robin Trower Rocket From The Crypt Rod Stewart Rodrigo y Gabriela Roger Daltry Roger Waters Roky Erickson The Rolling Stones The Ronettes Ronnie Dawson Ronnie Lane Rory Gallagher Rose Hill Drive Rose Tattoo Roxy Music Roy Buchanana Roy Harper Roy Orbison Rufus Wainwright The Runaways Rush Russell Morris Ry Cooder Sagittarius Sam and Dave Sam Cooke Sammi Smith Sammy Hagar Sammy Johns Samurai Sanford and Townsend Santana Scorpions Scott McKenzie Screamin' Jay Hawkins Screaming Trees Seal Seals and Crofts The Searchers The Seeds The Sensational Alex Harvey Band Sex Pistols The Shadows Of Knight The Shins The Shocking Blue Sigur Ros The Silos Silver Apples Silverchair Simon and Garfunkel Sir Douglas Quintet Sir Lord Baltimore The Sisters Of Mercy Sixx:A.M. Skeeter Davis Skid Row The Skids Skip James Skip Spence The Skyliners Slaughter Slim Harpo Sly and the Family Stone The Small Faces The Smashing Pumpkins Smith The Smiths Smokey Robinson/The Miracles Snake River Conspiracy The Soft Machine Solomon Burke Son House Sonata Arctica Sonic Youth The Sonics Sonny Boy Williamson Sopwith Camel Soul Asylum Soul Survivors Sound Team Soundgarden Spacemen 3 Spanky and Our Gang Spencer Davis Group Spin Doctors Spirit Spiritualized Spooky Tooth Squeeze Squirrel Nut Zippers SRC The Stampeders The Standells The Staples Singers The Statler Brothers Status Quo Stealers Wheel Steely Dan Stephen Malkmus Stepenwolf Stereolab Steve Earle Steve Miller Band Steve Morse Band Steve Vai Steve Wariner Stevie Nicks Stevie Ray Vaughan Stevie Wonder Stillwater Sting Stone Poneys The Stone Roses Stone the Crows The Strangeloves Strawberry Alarm Clock The Strawbs The String Cheese Incident The Style Council Styx Sublime Sugarloaf Supergrass Supertramp Sweet Sweet Smoke The Swingin' Medallions Syd Barrett T-Bone Walker T. 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Ancient Pagans * As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. * Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. * Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis. * Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] * Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468] * Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469 ... View All

Ancient Pagans * As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed. * Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain. * Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis. * Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468] * Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468] * Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469] According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..." * In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights. * In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466] * The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. [DO19-25] Mission * Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30] * Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223] * Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235] * 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Victims unknown. [DO30] * 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225] Crusades (1095-1291) * First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41] * Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23] * 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27] * Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30] * after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35] Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60] * Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36] * Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40] (In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude") * The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79] * Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41] * Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45] * Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148] * Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224] Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers. Heretics * Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26] * Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E. and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC] * Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29] The Albigensians (cathars = Christians allegedly that have all rarely sucked) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would not accept roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control. [NC] Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (greatest single pre-nazi mass murderer) in 1209. Bezirs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbours and friends) 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181] * Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181] * subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated. [WW183] * After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324. [WW183] * Estimated one million victims (cathar heresy alone), [WW183] * Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World). * Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28] * John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415. [LI475-522] * University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59] * Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600. Witches * from the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several thousand. * in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged. [WV] * incomplete list of documented cases: The Burning of Witches - A Chronicle of the Burning Times Religious Wars * 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30] * 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31] * 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31] * 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31] * 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191] * 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191] * 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32] Jews * Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown. * In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450] * 17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454] * The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453] * First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ] * Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57] * Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40] * Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41] * 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41] * 1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41] * 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41] * 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41] * 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42] * 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42] * 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear. * 1492: In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476] * 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43] (I feel sick ...) this goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz. Native Peoples * Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity. * Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200] While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205] * On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued: I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him." [SH66] * Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235] * In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess." [SH109,238] * On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204] * The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish raids. * As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous." [SH69] * The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70] * What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness: "The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ... They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72] Or, on another occasion: "The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs." [SH83] * The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75] * "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of Tenochtitln [Mexico city] was next." [SH75] * Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other spanish conquistadors likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida). * "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead." [SH95] Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of Amerikkka. * Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among (north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side". Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111] * In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the (generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live among them (that probably solved a sex problem). "Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed (sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures were restricted for fellow englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter, because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different: "when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force, burning the entire community" down. [SH105] * On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout War". The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from persecution in their own home country England. * When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's pledge they attacked. Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned their villages. The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits, that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women, children. [SH113-114] * So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111]. * Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow: "Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them..." (Deut 20) * Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that "sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their parents". [SH114] * Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by spanish methods of the time) In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near. [SH107-119] * The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude. John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke good'." [SH115] * Other tribes were to follow the same path. * Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!" "Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the Dust!" [TA] * Like today, lying was OK to Christians then. "Peace treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians 'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt downe theire Corne'." [SH106] * In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian men, women and children. [SH107] * In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600 Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'." [SH115] * To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about 30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely 6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678 had occurred. And the carnage was not over then. * All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was before the frontier age actually had begun. * A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by violence, bad treatment and slavery. * In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even today. More Glorious events in US history * Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241] * Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed. From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..." [SH131] More gory details. * By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244] Close All

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